Posts by joey jojo

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What would it like to see

by JohnR1975 in

what i would like to see and maybe will get there in about another ten years is being a jw is a rewarding thing that enriches your life.. just like other religions out there you may not know the entire truth and maybe not quite right many of the beliefs but to have to idea of a belief centres and stabilises you.. i would like jws to be able to celebrate birthdays and maybe even other holidays if they choose to and not be judged by those who choose not to.. i would like jws to be allowed to have different interpretations of scripture and everyone is happy to agree to disagree and be able to say to each other yes maybe that interpretation is nearer the truth.

we just don’t know.. i would like new members of the gb to issue an apology for previous members getting so many things wrong.. they need to come out and say they were wrong about 1914 this date has no scriptural significance and the same is true of 1919. jws were not chosen in 1919 as the one and only true religion.. we just don’t know about so many things and it takes humility to admit we were wrong.. i would like to see even more lightening up on stupid restrictions like young people being allowed to have a varied friends and activities that are not with jws only..

joey jojo

JohnR1975
most don’t believe 1914 doctrinal teachings

And yet, they will shun you if you admit to not believing it..

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Beard quote from WT 1975

by joey jojo in

extreme hair styles can easily lead one into a trap of the devil also, and cause others to stumble.

for example, a young man in the united states was making fine progress in his study of the bible, and he was moved to share with an experienced witness in preaching to others about the good things he was learning from the bible.

from early youth he had let his beard grow, and since some in the business community wore beards, he felt that his wearing one in preaching to others would be acceptable generally.

joey jojo

Extreme hair styles can easily lead one into a trap of the Devil also, and cause others to stumble. For example, a young man in the United States was making fine progress in his study of the Bible, and he was moved to share with an experienced Witness in preaching to others about the good things he was learning from the Bible. From early youth he had let his beard grow, and since some in the business community wore beards, he felt that his wearing one in preaching to others would be acceptable generally. But in speaking to a lady he was unable to do more than introduce himself, when she said: “I’m sorry, young man, I do not want to become involved in student revolt.” No amount of explanation after this sufficed to clear up the misimpression. After the conversation ended with the closing of the door, he asked the experienced Witness what had happened. He was invited to consider his appearance in relation to what he claimed to be, a servant of God. Not wanting to be responsible for even one person’s being stumbled so as to miss the way to everlasting life, this new Kingdom publisher shaved off his beard.

w75 8/15 pp. 499-504

Yes, having a beard once meant you could be responsible for someones eternal death.

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Dip Anyone?

by peacefulpete in

a quick comment regarding how subsequent gospel writers often felt an irresistible need to clarify or expand upon their sources.

in the last supper story, the gospel that came to be named after mark 14 has jesus declare that one of the twelve who eats with him from the same bowl will betray him.

17 and evening having come, he cometh with the twelve,18 and as they are reclining, and eating, jesus said, `verily i say to you -- one of you, who is eating with me -- shall deliver me up.

joey jojo

Kaleb, I thought my life growing up as a JW was tedious and I particularly resented the chafing I felt at having my life dictated by the beliefs of my parents, even if some were beneficial.

It amazes me hearing about all the traditional rituals that practising Jews (and others) follow. I'm not necessarily saying it's all bad, however, to me at least, there is something disturbing about having every aspect of your life and how you spend your time pre-determined.

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Creation, Not Evolution Best Explains Genetics

by Sea Breeze in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umnhg0a9dlu.

evolutionists can change their model, and invent stories whenever they want to accomodate data.

biblical literalists are stuck with just one model, one account, and are unable to change it.

joey jojo

Rattigan350
Evolution can't explain reproduction.
Evolution can't explain how the need to cleans blood altered DNA to create 2 kidneys on each side of the body. Then they started filtering and the output went where? Just in the body and the people died from sepsis?
Then the DNA got the idea that it needs to direct the bad things out of the body so it created uterers down. Then those uterers merged in a bladder that hadn't evolved yet because there was no need. Then the bladder got full and got backed up and people died. Then the DNA got the idea that it needs to mutate to create a urethra and send it out the body. Why not just use the penis as it has a hole in it for semen and sperm? And for women just make a hole to go out.
That's nuts. DNA can't think and mutations can created such precise organs.

This process happened over billions of years. That is almost an incomprehensible amount of time. It didnt start with fully-formed kidneys, or cocks, or whatever. Macro and micro forces create winners and losers.

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Pre-Nicene christians and the trinity

by joey jojo in

this is just a quick summary that might be useful regarding the threads about the trinity currently on the board.. in 325 ce, the nicene council was called by constantine to settle schisms within the christian church.

the argument about the nature of jesus in relation to god was one of the big problems that needed resolution.

at first, constantine told the 2 main players, alexander and arius to sort it out between themselves, as he, constantine didnt see it as overly important.

joey jojo

The point I was trying to make is simply that this whole event and outcome was man-made and politically motivated. If you believe that you can see God's hand involved then you are delusional.

Claiming that those that disagree with the majority are heretical outcasts based on how something is interpreted is exactly the same as believing that the GB in New York has the right to govern your life.

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Pre-Nicene christians and the trinity

by joey jojo in

this is just a quick summary that might be useful regarding the threads about the trinity currently on the board.. in 325 ce, the nicene council was called by constantine to settle schisms within the christian church.

the argument about the nature of jesus in relation to god was one of the big problems that needed resolution.

at first, constantine told the 2 main players, alexander and arius to sort it out between themselves, as he, constantine didnt see it as overly important.

joey jojo

Where did I say it was accepted? I used the terms widespread and debated.

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Pre-Nicene christians and the trinity

by joey jojo in

this is just a quick summary that might be useful regarding the threads about the trinity currently on the board.. in 325 ce, the nicene council was called by constantine to settle schisms within the christian church.

the argument about the nature of jesus in relation to god was one of the big problems that needed resolution.

at first, constantine told the 2 main players, alexander and arius to sort it out between themselves, as he, constantine didnt see it as overly important.

joey jojo

This is just a quick summary that might be useful regarding the threads about the trinity currently on the board.

In 325 ce, the Nicene council was called by Constantine to settle schisms within the christian church. The argument about the nature of Jesus in relation to God was one of the big problems that needed resolution. At first, Constantine told the 2 main players, Alexander and Arius to sort it out between themselves, as he, Constantine didnt see it as overly important. However, it wasnt settled and was starting to cause political problems for Constantine within his empire.

From the start, there were a lot of people on each side of the debate, some believing Jesus was like God and didnt have a beginning and the other side, believing he was created by God. This wasnt a case of a small, fringe group with a crazy idea, going against the established belief, it had been a debated topic for a long time, over a large part of the Roman Empire.

The eventual outcome of the 300 people at the council is that the consensus agreed with Alexander and the trinity doctine was made the standard to be followed. Anyone that didnt agree to the new belief was threatened with ex-communication and exile, which is what happened to Arius.

The question is, where is God in all this decision making? There is no suggestion that any of the opposing camps were ungodly, or werent living their lives as Christians. This was a purely political decision, voted on by men, under the threat of exile and overseen by the Emperor to maintain control of the state religion. The nature of Jesus was a legitimate question then and it is now, which is why it cant be explained easily as either side has pro's and con's to their argument. And really, who gets to dictate the answer? An Emperor that lived around 2000 years ago and has the power to stop thought and debate to this day?

This next part is pure speculation. Only bits and pieces of the NT have been discovered from after 100 ce. There is nothing from the 1st century and the first complete bible didnt arrive until the early 4th century at best. Thats almost 400 after Jesus died. 400 years is a long time. Perhaps, once the offical doctrines had been adopted from 325 onwards, any surviving early manuscritps were destroyed by the early church to remove as many opposing ideas as possible? This also allows the new testament to be subtly altered to capture the ideas of the newly adopted doctrines. This isnt far-fetched as this is exactly what the JW's do right now, in plain sight.

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What Is The Purpose Of YORWW Having A Creed & The Forty (40) Basic, Fundamental Truth Requirement?

by Littleleslie in

what is the purpose of yorww having a creed & the forty (40) basic, fundamental truth requirement?.

many people have wondered about the above question and our stand on the forty (40) basic, fundamental truths, and why we make it a requirement for individual jehovah's witnesses to believe these ideas before...before they can join our five (5) discussion boards.well, its called the yorww congregation, isn't it?its a congregation of like believers and persons of like faith.

(matthew 18:20) so they are supposed to agree on their beliefs, exactly as first century christians agreed upon their beliefs.

joey jojo

Just here trying to make $$$

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End within 2 years (again)

by road to nowhere in

an old elder friend from out of town stopped to see my ailing wife.

more than the locals do.

he said elder school emphasized 2 years and the existing body will be the leaders through persecution and tribulation.

joey jojo

Vidiot
I’d’ve thought Letto the Clown’d be the next one shown the door.

I thought the same thing but obviously he knows how to play the game.

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The unending and fruitless argument on Trinity

by Longlivetherenegades in

those who say they are christians or follow christianity needs .

1. father .

2. jesus .

joey jojo

Anony Mous
there is a deeper core truth to the trinity that you can’t just reject from modern society without removing the underpinnings of the renaissance and by that modern science etc. which is why it was independently discovered in many religions as others here point out, it is a pattern that keeps appearing in India, in China, in Africa

Its a little different everywhere around the world. It could equally be said that christianity mimics the hindu idea of creator/ preserver / destroyer.

Birth / death/ rebirth is a topic that is not unique to christianity.

Hindu's, muslims, sikhs, jews, buddhists and other groups dont believe in a trinity. That covers a big part of the worlds population.

Much like mustard, I think it is an exhausting subject that comes down to whether you believe it or not, like everything else to do with religion. You said it yourself - its not provable. Religion, particularly catholics, have done all they can to retard science throughout the centuries. Shouldnt they welcome knowledge? Whats the point of persecuting scientists like copernicus and galileo that told the truth? Why does the wt censor anyone that disagrees? Its all about control and power - not truth.

This is another argument over a stupid religious point that means a lot to some people, not because of any evidence but simply because they think they are right.